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Thoughts on Stardust: Raw 
24th-Aug-2007 12:51 am
Okay, this has been niggling at me since I saw the movie and it won't go away: why didn't Yvane get to learn fencing? It's not like I'm asking a lot, here.

They wouldn't have had to make this a big embarrassing statement. I'm not expecting passionate speeches about equality, androgyny, or the sword as phallic symbol. I'm not asking for a riproaring anachronistic third-gender romance where the heroine wants to wrestle, and wear pants, and ride horses astride, and do all the other more interesting things that guys do, and does them all, better than all the guys, thus proving that she is also better than all the girls. I'm not even asking that she duel an actual opponent. I just wanted her to learn how to fence.

I don't believe they were worried about violating the rules of that fictional universe. First of all, we see so little of how the average Stormholder lives that there's practically no sense of a law of the land at all. Second of all, consider the teacher. Since when does a cross-dressing pirate captain volunteer to enforce traditional gender roles?

I will admit to getting annoyed by your standard idyllic teen romance, wherein young girls always want to do what the guys do. It gets worse when a girl totally defies realism and common sense to get what she (for some reason) wants. Example: a girl cutting her hair and spending eight years learning combat from people who think she's a boy is far-fetched, but realistic. A girl capturing and outwitting a hard-bitten highwayman with her feminine wiles and forcing him to teach her combat, because embroidery is so boring, is not.

However, Stardust is not your standard idyllic little teen romance. Tristram was not just idly learning swordplay and then having her butt in because, like, swordplay is cool! That would have been obnoxious, as well as overdone. No, this was a female character being presented with a star-spangled opportunity to learn self-defense, and not taking it. It's not as if she didn't have ample motivation. Considering that it's Yvane, not Tristram, who is being pursued hither and yon by shady characters WHO WANT TO EAT HER HEART, it would make absolute sense, as Tristram learns how to defend her, for her to learn to defend herself.

Succinctly put, this was one of the rare situations in which, according to what was happening in every part of the movie, it made no sense not to teach her. This goes beyond negligence; this looks like a deliberate, purposeful, and glaring omission. I mean, Tristram learns how to fence, and she learns how to...play the piano? And waltz? Come on. Did they seriously think no one would notice that?
3rd-Nov-2007 04:55 am (UTC)
Yep, I totally agree with you about all of the above.
3rd-Nov-2007 07:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, thank you. I was starting to think it was just me.
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